RICHARD SCHECHNER: Why is your performance called Free Prisoners?

TURKI BĀ ʿĪSSA: The script by Ahmad Al-Enezī is about the misfortunes of a visual artist(fanā n tashkīlī, lit. “figural artist”). This artist suffers from auditory and visual hallucinations. These psychic problems are because of all the pressures in his life. An unsupportive wife who quarrels with his sister who supports the artist’s choices. These things come to him as hallucinations, which come to life during the play. They are the characters, which finally he transforms into paintings. The conflict between this artist and society is sublimated into the conflict between him and his art.

SCHECHNER: But why is it called Free Prisoners?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: It is called al-Sujanāʾ al-ah. rār because he’s imprisoned within the confines of his society.

SCHECHNER: Did you work on the script?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: I worked on the composition as a dramaturg. I adapted the play, which was written by Ahmad Al-Enezī, our club member.

SCHECHNER: So what are the restrictions within this artist’s society that he’s free from?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: His society’s view of art. They approach it as a thing without value, a thing that does not earn a profit. His society does not give him any security, any livelihood. This artist transforms his conflict into paintings. He may have been constrained by the society he lives in, but he was always free in his art. Still, his paintings became prisoners, imprisoned by the people of his society. The paintings were imprisoned because he abandoned them, left them in the hands of the people, after they had been free, after they had been in their natural state.

SCHECHNER: (To the actors) Do you all agree with this interpretation?

DONYA AL-ENEZĪ, NAMĀ RIQ ʿĀ DIL, HAMAD JUNAYDIL: Yes, sure.

SCHECHNER: Why at the end do the women rip up his paintings?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: They are taking vengeance upon the artist for imprisoning the paintings, making them playthings in the hands of the people. Revenge for the mutilation to which they were subjected, after they had been free.

SCHECHNER: So who are the two women in the piece?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: They are the artist’s sister and his wife.

SCHECHNER: And why are they costumed in striped clothes looking like prisoners?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: Those costumes are part of the second scene. In the first scene they are dressed normally. In the second scene, wearing striped clothes they are the artist’s paintings.

SCHECHNER: Sometimes prisoners are, or were, dressed that way in the United States. Do they dress prisoners that way in Saudi Arabia?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: No.

SCHECHNER: Why did you select this costume?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: Our assumption is that the play concerns the absolute. It does not refer to a particular country. When you think of prisoners, you think of the stripes.

SCHECHNER: Okay. So the women actors are prisoners. And they’re taking revenge? BĀ ʿĪSSA: Yes.

SCHECHNER: You performed Free Prisoners in Riyadh? BĀ ʿĪSSA: Yes.

BĀ ʿĪSSA: February 2022.

SCHECHNER: Without any headcover? How can you perform this piece in Saudi? I thought it’s against the law for women to appear in public dressed this way.

BĀ ʿĪSSA: There is no violation of the law, and all our work is carried out according to the freedom granted to us in the law. We work with an official license from the concerned authorities in our country. There is a great acceptance now of these forms of performance. There are great changes at the level of culture and entertainment in the kingdom. Artistic freedom has greatly increased.

SCHECHNER: So you performed Free Prisoners in Riyadh exactly as I saw it here in Egypt?

ACTORS: Yes.

SCHECHNER: How did audiences in the kingdom react to the performance?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: They were very delighted with the first staging of the show. This is what encouraged us to stage it after that in Tunisia, and this is the third time, in Egypt.

SCHECHNER: When did you first do it in Saudi?

SCHECHNER: I think it would surprise a lot of people to see women performing without any kind of head covering. That’s not the impression most people in the USA have of Saudi Arabia. And in your daily life, you do wear a hijab?

AL-ENEZĪ and ʿĀ DIL: No.

AL-ENEZĪ: The law in Saudi Arabia grants great freedoms to women to wear what they want.

SCHECHNER: I thought it was against the law in Saudi for women to be in public without a hijab, maybe even also an abaya.

ʿĀ DIL: This is not true, it may have been before, now it’s fine.

BĀ ʿĪSSA: In light of the kingdom’s “Vision 2030”^{Footnote 1} and its unlimited support for the culture and arts sector in an ambitious national project to enrich the cultural sector in Saudi Arabia, we are taking our rights to a high level, especially with respect to culture and the arts. A Saudi woman first appeared in the Saudi theatre in 2018.

SCHECHNER: A woman from your theatre? BĀ ʿĪSSA: No.

SCHECHNER: How many people are in your group?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: The troupe has more than 40 actors, actresses, designers, and crew. SCHECHNER: Was Free Prisoners a play brought to you or did you devise it?

AL-ENEZĪ: An author offered it to us, and ustādh [director] Turki adapted it for us.

SCHECHNER: You are the only director in the group?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: That’s correct.

SCHECHNER: Do you perform only in the street?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: Sometimes we stage shows in the proscenium theatre. But our group currently is activating street theatre in the kingdom.

SCHECHNER: What kind of street performances? What kind of plays?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: A recent one is The Shadow Play, which is a conversation about modernity and what was before modernity—a conversation between Colin Wilson, the English writer, and Charles Baudelaire, the French poet.

SCHECHNER: And who performed? BĀ ʿĪSSA: Hamad and Namāriq.

SCHECHNER: (To the actors) Is acting how you earn your living? Or do you need other jobs to support yourself?

AL-ENEZĪ: For me, it’s only acting.

SCHECHNER: Who supports the theatre? Where does the money come from?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: The Ministry of Culture’s Theatre and Performing Arts Authority. SCHECHNER: How many years has your group been in existence?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: Two years.

SCHECHNER: And more than 40 people work full-time in the theatre?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: The company members work outside the theatre. Except for Donya, she is an artist, this is her job.

SCHECHNER: Donya, do you act with other groups as well? AL-ENEZĪ: Yes, with other groups too.

SCHECHNER: How long have you been a full-time professional actor? AL-ENEZĪ: Now it’s four years.

SCHECHNER: Why did you choose to become an actor? When you were growing up there weren’t any women actors in Saudi, were there? There were plenty in Egypt, on the stage and in film and television, but not in Saudi. You’re a pioneer. Your group is a pioneer. This is a new play. How did you decide to do this? What was your road to this?

AL-ENEZĪ: It’s a business for me. I like film acting. I am schooled by observing Egyptian films. The business came by chance in the beginning. There was a commercial, just a commercial for university students. Then after starting in commercials, bit by bit I began serials, short films, and after that, theatre.

SCHECHNER: And what is your story, Namāriq?

ʿĀ DIL: I am debuting, I never tried theatre before. Like Donya, I performed mostly in commercials. The first time I performed in the theatre was in Riyadh this past month. I won the award for best actress. That was the first time, this is the second time.

SCHECHNER: And you, Hamad?

JUNAYDIL: Acting was a new discovery for me. I started making commercials. After that I developed more into theatre. That started a few months ago, in February 2022.

SCHECHNER: And Turki, how did you get involved? What training did you have as a director?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: My main specialization is public law and political science; I obtained a master’s degree in that specialization from France in 2018. I have been working for years as a university professor in my field. My relationship with theatre started in middle school at the age of 13 as an actor. After that, in King Saud University [Jā miʿa al-Malik Saʿūd]. But I did not receive an academic education in theatre. I work in theatre as an amateur.

SCHECHNER: Were you trained in a theatre class?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: In theatre clubs. But then eventually there were some courses offered by King Saud University, Umm al-Qura University, and the Society for Culture and Arts, in Riyadh and Makkah [Mecca]. From them I received practical training. They took me by the hand and transmitted to me the ability to direct.

SCHECHNER: Any one in particular?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: Yes, several. Zakī Yamānī from the Intermediate High School in Makkah; and Ayed Al-Baqami, Mishaal Al-Qadib, and Ahmed Al-Suhaimi from King Saud University.

SCHECHNER: What is your working process?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: I go to the text in the beginning to see if it is fit for performance or not. After that I choose the actors and actresses.

JUNAYDIL: After Turki looks at the text, we actors gather together. We take about a week or two to read the text. We try to write down the truth of all the characters, their backstories.

SCHECHNER: And the staging?

ʿĀ DIL: The director determines what character might be suitable for which of us. We begin long rehearsals. After each rehearsal, Turki gives us comments necessary to develop our characters.

SCHECHNER: How long between the time you first get the script and when you show it to the public?

ʿĀ DIL: A month to two months. SCHECHNER: What are your plans now?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: We’re going to perform Free Prisoners 18 more times in Riyadh. SCHECHNER: One more question. How did you get the name, Theatre Choir?

BĀ ʿĪSSA: Theatre Choir means an artistic group, and we chose this name to be a distinctive and unconventional name for our team. That was two years ago.